>> it is likely to be her last appearance because senator kerry, of course, his hearing is set for the 24th, day after. so he's going to be up there oddicians for her job and he isbelieved to be a shoe-in in terms of confirmation. >> rose: margaret brennan, thank you so much. pleased to you have here. come back often. >> thank you. >> good to be here. our coverage of the events in algeria and mali continue with a distinguished panel of guests. joining me from washington pax boot of the council on foreign relationment his new book is called invisible arm armies a-- peter pharm, director of the africa center of the islamic council and jennifer cook direct of the aica program at the centre for strategic and international studies. i am pleased to have them all here. max give me a sense of what you know about where we are at this moment? >> i think charlie we are in a very early stages of what could be a very protracted insurgency campaign. one of the things that i did in the course of doing the research for my new book is a calculated the average length of an insurgency since 1945. and the